Where You're Going

Steve Gamlin

I just encourage people to think in their heads. What do my goals look like? Feel like sound like smell like tastes like? The ultimate version of everything. So in your gut, in your heart, in your mind and your faith, you know you can do this. The ways will show themselves.

John Liddle

Welcome into The Where You’re Going Podcast. I’m your host, John Liddle. It is wonderful to have you along for another show. We believe that it’s not about where you’ve been. It’s about where you’re headed and who you are becoming on this show. And we thank each and every one of you that has listened, that is tuned in on YouTube, anywhere else that you’re getting the show, it really means a lot to us. And the best way you can make sure that other people are getting hooked is by sharing the show. So go ahead and do that! Like it. Comment on it. Give it 5 stars. In fact, if you’re watching on YouTube right now, just comment right down there. Tell us about your favorite episodes so far of The Where You’re Going Podcast. We wanna hear all about it. Steve Gamlin, is on the show this week. You know how the Bible says where there is no vision the people perish? Well, that’s definitely something that Steve believes because he is all about vision. He’s all about visioning your future and going after it, and he has a wonderful story of reclamation and redemption in so many areas of his life. I’m so pleased to bring on my new friend, Steve Gamlin.

Steve Gamlin

Thank you, John. Very happy to be here.

John Liddle

And you’re a motivational speaker. The Motivational Firewood Guy, and that’s even got a little, little trademark. by it. I don’t own any trademarks. You own one, so that puts you one up on me. That’s good. But, Steve blends positivity and visualization. I’m excited about that! Storytelling humor, and helps you see your desired outcome understand your why and build action plans to achieve as well. So I’m really looking forward, to having the chance to to talk with you about this, Steve, let’s start here, though. Let’s let’s get to the nitty gritty, the tough stuff because, you know, a couple times in your life, you’ve been a in a spot where you didn’t want to be. And one of those situations found yourself in a rock bottom moment. What was that like?

Steve Gamlin

Yeah. The, the more recent of the rock bottoms happened about 21 years ago after a successful 10 years of radio where I burnt myself into the ground pure exhaustion. My first marriage was crumbling due to lack of communication and frustration. And I walked away from radio, went through a divorce And at age thirty five, I was about $62,000 in debt because I had not been watching where the money was going. So broken depressed, moved back into dad’s house, started from there. It was, you know, I’m old enough to remember at 55. The, the metaphor, I was like, Wile E. Coyote dropping up a pair of acme rocket roller state and just driving himself off a cliff to the bottom of the canyon and not catching the Road Runner again. So, yeah, that was the low point about 20 years ago. And, you know, it’s funny because God sends us you know, angels and gives us moments, gives us enough leeway time and space to potentially damage ourselves, but then we learn something in the process. And I sure did about, well, it’s almost 20 years, August of 2003. Had $3 off to my pocket on a Friday afternoon and decided to take out my frustrations and self deprecation on a $3 bucket of golf balls. And went to a nearby driving range. I mean, I was hitting 200 plus yards. That’s just how much I hated myself at the time. Some of my best drives ever. And, I was underneath these big steel power lines because I went to the farthest tee box, so I wouldn’t damage any cars in the parking lot. A thunderstorm came through. It was very hot and humid. So I stood there for an hour, hitting golf balls, barefoot in the wet grass, under power lines, and at one point, even held up to club, and dared the lightning to hit me. Wow. And hit my bucket of golf balls, hit the buckets of 2 guys who ran from the storm and never came back. And when I got back to my car, I could barely lift my arms. And as soon as I opened my door, the rain stopped and the sun came out. And I just looked up, and I just started laughing. Like, that is well played. And, you know, even to this day, whenever I hear thunder, I go, oh my gosh. God is still laughing at that incident. You know, because me and God, we have a great relationship communication conversations daily. The day after that, I was on the phone with a brand new life coach, And he said, how was your week? And I just said, put down your pen and listen to this, and as funny as I could make it, super self deprecating, but very I told him about that hour, and he asked a question that changed my life. “Have you ever thought of being a motivational speaker or stand up comedian?” Within 2 weeks? My first stand up comedy class, a week after that, my first toastmasters meeting, and here we are.

John Liddle

Wow. 20 years later, you have made a life out of helping other people maybe even see the humor in yourself, but the humor in themselves as well. And I I wanna go back to just that moment you’re hitting that $3 bucket of of golf balls. It sounds like you were mad at yourself, but you were mad at God a little bit?

Steve Gamlin

Very down to myself. I had always been a very self deprecating person anyway because I could get laughs doing it. Now the the sad part is I didn’t realize the damage I was doing to myself. I just knew I was getting laughs. I look back now, and I’m like, I’m I was I was kinda like a circus clown that got tripped up, fell down, and got pies in his face all day long at the big top. It made people laugh, but at the end, when the lights were turned off and the tents got rolled up, he walked home alone and the dark crying. And I didn’t get what I was doing to myself at the time. And, actually, I was not mad at God at all. I I just I was thankful to still be around. And I equate it to if you’ve seen the movie Forrest Gump with Lieutenant Dan, During the hurricane, he was up in the crows nest of their shrimp boat. Yeah. Screaming at the storm. “Come on, blow. Is that all you got?” I was mad at life, and I was mad at what I did to my own. I mean, I I certainly couldn’t blame anybody, but myself, lack of communication, frustration, over work exhaustion. When you run a machine too long and they don’t take care of it, and all of a sudden you go, “What’s that clanging? And where’s that smoke coming from?” That was my life at the time. And the funny part is knowing we’re gonna be on this call, I dug out the actual golf club I was holding up that day. Notice the lack of lightning marks on it because God has a sense of humor. I think I’ve only taken it golfing once since then in all these years, and I just every time I pick it up…I’m smiling right now. And I’m like, I just think of God going, “Look, I gave you a free pass once. Don’t do it if there’s thunder and lightning.”

John Liddle

Well, it really does just give you a good visual aid, though, when you’re able to pull that out and say, “This is what I tempted God with, right here. He didn’t take me up on it.” But if you wouldn’t have done that, you wouldn’t have had the story to tell your life coach who eventually was like, “Come on. Steve, I I see something in you.” And you were talking about the self-deprecation…how we can do damage to ourselves. I certainly relate to that. A lot of times it takes somebody else believing in us and pouring into us and seeing something in us for us to believe it about ourselves. How is that true for you?

Steve Gamlin

It is true because even though he started to set that realization in motion, I didn’t get the full lesson for another decade. I spent the 1st decade of the new millennium still being pretty self deprecating, still referring to myself as an idiot in a number of speeches that I presented in Toastmasters and on stages. And, in 2011, the guy who I just recently at that time met invited me to speak on one of his stages. and I spoke for all 3 days at a motivational event. And on 3rd day, I woke up in a bad mood, and I was running out of material. and I went on this self-deprecating rant in the middle of it. And I was getting some laughs, but the energy wasn’t quite right, and I wasn’t picking up on it. I was the final speaker. We thank everybody. Go home, and he comes over. He points at me and he goes, “Sit.” And he put a circle of chairs around me, him and the other five speakers intervened on me and completely destroyed me for what I was doing to myself. And my friend told me, “Look, if I ever catch you talking about yourself like that again you will never be welcome on one of my stages.” That was when the lesson finally kicked in. And I refer to it now, as I said, “Yeah, my buddy, Chris kicked me with some steel toe boots in parts of my body, my doctor only gets to see once a year.” But It flipped the switch. You know, it’s like trying to get that farmer’s tractor to get it to run right. He did it, and I finally got the lesson. and it flipped my speaking 180 degrees in how I honored my audiences and myself. And wouldn’t you know…my business grew because of that? And because of the energy I was actually putting out.

John Liddle

I love that. The the concept of honoring yourself. You know, we think of honoring others and certainly it’s a biblical practice to honor others above yourself. And I’m not saying that we shouldn’t do that. But if we honor ourselves and then we honor others above ourselves…we’re doing an even better job. So how do you try to honor yourself now? What does it look like? How is it different?

Steve Gamlin

For me, it starts in the mirror first thing in the morning. And, I I borrow from, a speaker named Mel Robbins. she’s very big in personal development and coaching. She has these two things. One’s called the 5 Second Rule. The other is the High 5 Habit. So when my alarm goes off at quarter past 5 in the morning for my workout, Within five beeps, I turn it off. In my head, I go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Both feet are touching the floor. I lean back. Kiss my wife, Tina, on the cheek. jump up, turn on the bathroom lights, which are blinding. And the first thing I do in the mirror with only one tenth of one eye, even but a huge smile is I high five myself in the mirror and I look up and I wink and I go, “We’re gonna have a rocking day.” God, you and me. Let’s go have a rocking day. I just start off so pure in the morning with great energy and, of course, being in the entertainment world to the past 31 years, there’s already a classic rock song playing in my head, which will be the first song of my workout when I get downstairs. I have to sing it to myself first. Then I play that and I’ll listen to positive podcasts. I’ll listen to positive messaging. Then I come down here after my workout, and I meditate here in the studio, do a little guided imagery and meditation, get nice and calm and peaceful, and then go write my gratitude journal jump in the shower, start my day.

John Liddle

And it sounds like these are things that you have, like you said, Mel Robbins picked up along the way and pieced together over time. and probably can change a little bit over time as well. How do you know when it’s time to, adopt one…and when it’s time to, kick one out of there and try something new?

Steve Gamlin

When I feel my energy or my connection to something waning, you know, it may take a few days because maybe you’re just having an odd energy day. You don’t have to be married to a habit forever. I mean, I got rid of so many bad habits over the years and routines and natural tendencies that I just keep finding better ways. I surround myself with better people. One of the things I do wherever I go, when I get out of my car, I look up and wink, and then I look around and say, “How can I leave this situation better than I found it in just one way?” The greatest habit I ever adopted or created or was was given to me, whatever, but, oh my gosh, it elevates me so much so that if I’m having a frustrated day or I’m down or project isn’t going well or I’ve accidentally written the same article 3 times and deleted it 3 times because I haven’t saved it properly. Which almost happened last night. I deleted it once and almost deleted it twice. What I do is I get in the car, ask my wife if she needs anything in town, and I drive to the grocery store 15 minutes. And I say, “I’m gonna commit as many acts of kindness as I can in the next 10 or 15 minutes.” And then I look around. How can I leave this situation better? And wouldn’t you know? Somebody will show up 2, 3 cars away, putting their last grocery bag in the car. “Excuse me. Would you like me to return that for you?” “Oh, that’d be great.” I’m already smiling. I make them laugh. Walk to the store. Give it to somebody else because I don’t need it. And I go into car salesman mode and make them laugh because they just think I’m some weird guy. You know, “The hand grip’s all warmed up and the wheels hardly wobble. You’ll love it.” Every time I come home, I’m better. And every time I walk out of the store, I look up and wink and I go, okay. I was supposed to be here. We’re good. And and we all have the ability. And I get it. Not everybody has an easy life. Believe me. I’ve had some very tough days, and and I’m sure there’ll be more in the future. I mean, gosh, that’s how I keep growing and getting better and getting more stories. But so many people walk around either staring at their phone or staring at their shoes complaining that nothing good has happened. There’s no opportunities out there. And we see it every single time, and it’s happening again now at the time of this recording that one of the big lotteries is close to a $1,000,000,000. You see the people in line at the 7-Eleven or wherever they go to buy their tickets. And there’s some very young news reporter there going, “Hey. If you win, what are you gonna do?” And everybody says, “Hey. I’m gonna help the homeless.” And you know what they’re doing is what I’ve always referred to…I’ve got a whole stage story called “Bribing God for lottery numbers,” because you say you’re gonna do something good, but how many of those people after they don’t win will still actually do something to help the homeless? And in January 2016, when Powerball, I believe it was, hit a 1,000,000,000 for the first time. When it was at 900,000,000, I saw those people on TV, and I got so frustrated. went into my computer, I found a, a downloadable stock art picture of a hand coming out of the darkness. And I wrote “You don’t need to win the Powerball to give back and help those in need. For $1.85, you can buy a loaf of bread. 79¢ for a can of tuna. Granola bars are cheap. A pair of warm gloves could save a life could save a life, and you already own a coat you don’t wear. So stop it. You know, reach out in your community and see what you can do.” And I slam dunked it onto Facebook. And the next day it had a 1,000 likes. And I thought, “Oh my gosh!” That’s viral for me. Within 11 days, it had 4.1 million views. More than 53,000 people shared it. And I’m sitting there going, “Oh my god. Was I just picked to be a messenger or what?” Some people said, “Hey, Steve. I saw your thing. It made me laugh. Oh, by the way, I reached out to a shelter today and bringing them some canned goods tomorrow.” Oh, wow. And I just sat here. Goose bumped to the elbows, tears in my eyes, smiling, and looking up and going, okay. Alright. I I was supposed to create and share that. Okay. And I’ve had a couple of more instances like that over the years where something that just hit my heart in a moment and just exploded in growth.

John Liddle

And what I love most is the people who got the message who did something with it. And, you know, even if it was only 1 out of every 100 people that liked that actually physically did something, imagine the impact that that made. And that is the positive thing about social media. And that is also what what drives me as well, man. I just wanna put positive things out there. I wanna encourage people. I want people to know that there is a better tomorrow. And I I know that is something that’s on your heart as well. You’re that typical disc jockey, maybe a little bit of a performer. What first got you in that mode of thinking, “Hey, DJ would be a really fun thing to do. Let me try my hand at that!”

Steve Gamlin

Yeah. when I was eleven years old and I’m dating myself here, big time…I wanted to be a radio DJ because of Dr. Johnny Fever on WKRP in Cincinnati. I wanted to be a stand up comedian because of Steve Martin, who was huge at the time in the late seventies. Because our mom instilled the love of reading and writing in my sister and myself, I wanted to be an author of my own books. And I also wanted to be a teacher of people, but not in the classroom because I had an incredible 5th grade teacher named Mrs. Ferron, who when I finished my work early would encourage me to help some of the other students and coach them a little bit and mentor them a little bit. And I fell in love with how that made me feel sharing something that inspired somebody else to really enjoy what we were doing and maybe figure out a challenge or an issue. I loved all of that. Now I was a very shy introverted kid. I am by nature an introvert, which makes everybody laugh, but it’s true. Got embarrassed brutally in the 7th grade spelling bee, and my confidence just hit the dirt. And I stopped raising my hand in class, and I went from all A’s up to 7th grade to just trailing smoke until I graduated from college by 62 thousandths of a point with zero confidence. My my dad’s favorite joke during my stand up comedy years was “My son graduated, Suma Cum THIS CLOSE.” That was his favorite joke, and he kept reminding me of it. I’m like, yep, dad. I remember. I was there. I had to drive to the school the day before graduation to see if I should show up. And, you know, the weirdest thing, and I didn’t even remember that incident in the spelling bee until my mid-thirties. At which point, I just looked in the mirror and went, “Really? I let that sit there and just fester all these years and didn’t even know why.” I mean, this was after my radio career that I rediscovered this when I was a speaker. What my life coach did for me was I had a friend gosh, all through our teens in in into early twenties. I was 24. He was 23. And my friend, Danny, asked me when I was living broke and depressed on my grandfather’s couch, 2 years out of college. “Why didn’t you ever follow your dream of being on the radio? You love music. You know more about it than any of us, You always talked about it, and you were happy then. Now you’re miserable. Why didn’t you do anything about it?” And out of excuses and out of money, I borrowed $4,000 from my grandfather. whose couch I was living on completely broke and went to broadcast school in the summer of 1992. I got an internship at a rock station we’d grown up listening to. Internships pay nothing, by the way. And I drove to my friend’s house, and he was so proud. And, he passed away 3 weeks later. Oh, wow. He died of cancer. And it took me 10 years of radio to get the lesson. Now I still didn’t have the confidence. You know, I was a a rock morning show producer. I was a copywriter. I didn’t use my voice on the radio until year 8 out of 10 only because I had to because our morning guy quit, and the owner was gonna put the station back on satellite. And I raised my hand a I go “Guys. I’ve been in radio for 8 years.” In parentheses in my head, I’m saying, never been on the mic. but I left that part out. And I just started doing it, and I was terrible for 5 days. And on Friday morning at 5 minutes to 7, I basically said, “Hey, everybody. This is Steve. New Hampshire’s Classic Rock Big 101.5. You know, I may stink as a DJ, but if you tolerate me reading the weather for the next forty two seconds, I’ll play you a really good rock song. And my boss leaned his head in the door with a huge smile and said, “Why can’t you sound like that all the time? Brother just be yourself. That was the funniest thing you said all week. Be yourself.” That was 22 years ago, right before I left radio. And that was another moment that has radically impacted my life.

John Liddle

Alright. So I wanna get into this visualization thing. You are a visualization coach. You’ve developed your own program. Visualization is something that on the periphery, I’m a little bit familiar with, but certainly not like you are and certainly not a practice that I’ve expressly put into my life. So where did that passion come from?

Steve Gamlin

It has been quite a journey, and it started with that same life coach just about 20 years ago. when I did decide to become a speaker and started going to Toastmasters to put together what would become my stage stories, He asked me if I’d ever heard of The Secret because it had just come out on DVD and was big on the Law of Attraction. He said, “I think you’re such a creative person. I think you’d be able to relate to it.” Now some of the things in The Secret like the genie and the magical lamp, I just left. You know? Okay. Come on. We know that’s not real. We know God is real. Universe is real. Energy is real law of attraction. All it is is putting your energy out there in the world to increase the odds that like energy will return, which is why I put good energy out there as best I can. In the 98 minute DVD, there were 3 minutes of some guy named John Assaraf who I’d never heard of before. And he talked about this thing called The Vision Board where he had pictures of goals that he wanted to achieve on a board. Now most of his were material things, you know, house, a car, jewelry, stuff like that. But as I learned more, did some deep dives into personal development, in a lot of journaling. I started to look at all the different areas of life because I’ve never just been about money. And I found a standard life wheel out there. And I adapted it to what I teach and what I talk about. And basically, 8 areas of life: your physical health, your emotional well-being, your relationships, the core values that guide you, your faith and spirituality, your connection to the world in a real way, and then your career and your money. And I thought, “Well, I don’t wanna just write a letter to Santa Claus for all these material things.” And I did create two vision boards when I started. They were all material things. And three weeks later, I looked at them and went, “Ugh. I want a real life. I want a full complete life.” So I started to write lists. With one goal for each area of my life. What would it look like or feel or sound like or smell like or taste like? How can I attach my senses? And then started to come up with a compelling “WHY” for each because the “WHY” is the gas in your tank that’ll keep a pebble from becoming a Jersey barrier. If you don’t have a real deep commitment to something and the wind blows the wrong way, you’re off course. So that started to work into it. And all these little bits and pieces, and I found that I started to create these little successes in my life. And then you’re standing on those bricks, You can look higher, dig deeper, and then you realize how all of these eight areas are actually working together 2/47 anyway. So wouldn’t it be a good idea to improve as many of them as possible? And I just started to to build. And then other people started to see the wins that I was talking about and asked me if I could teach them. I started speaking at companies about it and doing big events at companies with Vision Boards. And somebody said, “Hey, Steve. I can’t afford to pay you to come in. I’m just by myself. Can you create a program?” The only answer to that is, “You know, what? We’re working on that. It hasn’t quite been finished yet, but we’ll let you know when.” Then you have a pen and you write “Create a program for individuals.” That’s how it works in this industry for anybody that thinks we all are already working on these things. And by virtue of me becoming the best version of me that I could be and being genuine, authentic, and transparent…here I am. And it’s it’s been an incredible journey. And I just encourage people to think in their heads. “What do my goals look like, feel like, sound like, smell like, taste like? Just create the ultimate version of everything. So in your gut, in your heart, in your mind, in your faith, you know, you can do this. The ways will show themselves.

John Liddle

You said, a lot of times it’s material things, you know, the boat or the money, and then it’s relationships. which can be very fruitful. Okay. Relationships are awesome, but then also it’s like we’re always trying to fulfill this need to be with someone, so we are something. But I I love that it goes beyond that. Relationships are important. Okay. Money is important. I acknowledge that, but there are 6 other parts of it in in your mind, and that’s only a quarter of the pie over here. There are so many more things that we can build to have, a fruitful successful life.

Steve Gamlin

And if you improve one, you have the opportunity without even thinking about it to improve all of them. And and somebody challenged me on that recently. “Well, Steve, I wanna do a separate board. I can’t just do eight things.” And said, “Look, if you take care of physical health by choosing better foods and getting enough sleep, you wake up more focused with better energy. You can work harder and more efficiently. You do that. You can make more money. You make more money. You can buy a little freedom and time and spend time with the people in your closest relationships. Oh, and by the way, if you conduct your business in such a way that it goes along with your core values, and that whatever you choose to believe in for your faith, that’s gonna create more better emotional rewards for you as well. And your connection with people is gonna be better because you never looking over your shoulder. wondering what you said to anybody. And all that started by getting better sleep and taking better care of yourself physically.” And they went, “Wow!”

John Liddle

This gentleman was like, “Only eight things?” And then there are some people that are probably like, “Eight things? That’s a ton!” But at the same time, like you said, if you just take one step, I it can cascade into into into big things. What helps people take that first step? How do you help people take that first step when they’re just feeling stuck?

Steve Gamlin

I love having conversations with people, and I call my style of coaching playing volleyball. I’ll ask them a question. “What was what was a really good part of your life? Like, what’s one of your favorite memories?” And they’ll say, “Well, I I kinda wanna do this. I did it a long time ago, but I got away from it.” “Oh, great. What was your favorite thing about it?” And then I’ll look at them on the screen because I do a lot with Zoom. I’ll watch their face on the screen. I go, oh my gosh. If you could see what your face just did. You just lit up when you were talking about that. So let’s go into that. You know, maybe you can’t do it at the level you did prior, but I’ll get you tapped back into that in some way. And they’re like, “Well, I don’t know about this.” And at the end, I say, “Do you realize we just played the greatest game of volleyball. We sent that thing back and forth back and forth.” I used to play volleyball when I was in college. What I love the most were those long volleys. where somebody would think it was over and they’d kinda miss, but somebody else would save it and would just trickle over the net. Another person would dive and dig it out. I didn’t care who got the point at the end of it. I was just honored to be a part of that volley. I said, “We just did that. And at the end, one of us spikes it but we both win and take that energy and take that passion and take that belief in yourself that you can create that level of energy again. And you can enjoy that feeling again, maybe doing something else, but take your your love and passion with you into something else.” Now I can’t do what I used to do at age 55 what I did when I was 18. But everything I loved about what I did, I’ve taken into what I do now. On stages in coaching calls, writing books, in conversations like this on shows I’ve been on 200 plus shows around the world in the past 5 or 6 years. I love this. This is passion to me, and this is a blast because we never know how far the ripples go, which is why I’m always honored when I’m asked to be on somebody’s show. Speaking of my wife Tina…an hour ago, I typed out my account, the very bare bones account of our story to somebody who said, Hey. If you’ve been in a failed relationship or had a divorce, how did you rebound? I got divorced in 2002. And intentionally did not go on a single date for more than a year because I wanted to become the best version of myself that I knew I needed to be for my true love. I only wanted to have one more, big relationship in my life. And I started writing, and I started reading. I learned visualization. So I started to include on my vision board’s images of couples enjoying the type of relationship that I wanted to enjoy. Holding hands, walking on a beach, leaning against the railing of a ship together at sunset because I’m a hopeless helpless romantic, and I love that stuff. A couple cooking dinner together in their kitchen and smiling and laughing. And I said, this is everything I want. And in January of 2007, that year’s vision board, I said this will be the year that I discover her. In early June, I wrote in my journal I am ready to fall in love. And on June 16th, I got an email from someone named Tina. I came this close to deleting it because I thought it was spam. And something happened, and all the squirrels in my head said, “Hey. Let’s go over here and do this now.” The next day I opened it, I realized it was a girl I’d gone to high school with. She was living in Florida. We hadn’t seen or spoken to each other in 21 years. She would not send a picture. Nor does she have a social media footprint. Four weeks later, the, email, text, and phone calls, I was remembering I had a crush on her for three years in high school and never had the guts to ask her out. And almost four weeks to the day from the original email, I was DJing a wedding where I wasn’t even supposed to be, even though we know I was supposed to be there. During dinner time, we were texting, and she said, “Can I tell you something if you promise not to freak out?: And I said, sure. “Here’s how I really felt about you in high school. Here’s how I felt the day I saw your name, when I got your email or I heard your voice. I love you.” And I thought — “Wow!” And I texted back, “I love you too.” We recently celebrated our 16th anniversary. This is the happiest I’ve ever been in my life. And this is also the best version of me that’s ever been in a relationship. And we’re still learning each other. Love languages, habits, how to honor each other. We’re still learning, and it’s an amazing journey because this is the most open and honest version to me this ever been.

John Liddle

I love that story. I love the, hopeless romantic aspect of it. I man, And now everybody that is single is thinking about that that crush they had in high school.

Steve Gamlin

We went on Oprah’s radio network four times, and Tina still says, “You realize you’re the chick in this relationship, right?” And I always laugh. She goes, “Well, you remember all the anniversary dates!” And I I always joke with her. I said, “Babe, you know, if you ever end our relationship, you are going to demolish by speaking career.” She goes, “Oh, I know. And then she goes on laughing.” Everybody loves Tina.

John Liddle

So this is something I wanna start asking all of my guests if I feel like they can handle it. And I feel like you can handle it, Steve. I wanna know where you’re going? Because we’re never a finished product, right? So where are you going? Where are you headed next? What’s on your vision board right now?

Steve Gamlin

John Liddle:

Come on. That’s what I keep saying, and that’s what I keep adding to the end of it. It’s not just about where you’re going. It’s about who you’re becoming. And it’s those little choices we make along the way…those are the building blocks of who we’re becoming. So if somebody wanted to catch up with you, Steve, and and be a part of what you’re doing, you’ve got an awesome podcast, by the way. Please plug that too. It is an outstanding podcast.

Steve Gamlin

Yeah, my podcast is called Motivational Firewood® Radio and, does have that little trademark. I spent a lot of money for that little icon there that goes with Motivational Firewood® and I have to use it everywhere. I’ve been doing that for about 16 years, and it it is such an extension of just who I am. And I’d love to just share those little brief shows with people. And you can find me online at stevegamlin.com.